{"id":10870,"date":"2003-06-12T02:00:00","date_gmt":"2003-06-12T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/85.17.200.84\/~unaldi\/atif\/?p=442"},"modified":"2003-06-12T02:00:00","modified_gmt":"2003-06-12T00:00:00","slug":"ipne-gore-muamele8230-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/atif.unaldi.org\/blog\/2003\/06\/12\/ipne-gore-muamele8230-2\/","title":{"rendered":"IP&#8217;ne g\u00f6re muamele\u2026."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Y\u0131llard\u0131r internet \u00fczerinden ger\u00e7ekle\u00batirdi\u011fim bir\u00e7ok uygulama ile ilgili olarak geri d\u00f6n\u00fc\u00ba s\u00fcrelerini kontrol etmek istedim. Bunu yapmak ger\u00e7ekten bir\u00e7ok noktadan zor g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyordu. Mesela Network Solutions acaba m\u00fc\u00baterilerinin hepsine ayn\u0131 dikkat ve \u00f6zeni g\u00f6steriyor muydu? Yoksa biz geli\u00bamekte olan \u00fclke \u00e7ocuklar\u0131na farkl\u0131 uygulamalar m\u0131 yap\u0131yordu\u2026<br \/>\nAsl\u0131nda bir\u00e7ok noktadan bu korkumu tescil eden &#8220;&#8221;internet \u00f6ncesi yakla\u00ba\u0131mlar&#8221;&#8221; diye tescil edebilece\u011fimiz uygulamalar, alanen g\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fcn \u00f6n\u00fcnde yer almaktayd\u0131. Mesela bir\u00e7ok web sitesi \u00f6zellikle sadece Kanada ve Amerika&#8217;da ya\u00baayan ki\u00bailere \u00f6zel faaliyet g\u00f6sterirken bunu afi\u00bae ettikleri banner&#8217;\u0131n \u00fczerine yazmaktansa, formu doldurdu\u011funuzda kar\u00ba\u0131n\u0131za \u00e7\u0131kan k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck ekranda olmas\u0131 olduk\u00e7a garip. Buna ben internet \u00f6ncesi yakla\u00ba\u0131mlar diyorum zira ziyaret\u00e7iye alanen farkl\u0131 davranmak bu konuda en ufak fikre sahip olmayan bir zihniyetin yapaca\u011f\u0131 bir \u00baey. Bir d\u00fckkanda al\u0131\u00baveri\u00ba yap\u0131yorsunuz, bir yerde kocaman bir paras\u0131z \u00fcr\u00fcn ilan\u0131 var. Da\u011f\u0131t\u0131yorlar, yakla\u00ba\u0131p formu dolduruyorsunuz, birisi size ah bu sadece d\u00fckkan\u0131n sa\u011f\u0131ndakiler i\u00e7indi diyor. K\u0131zmaz m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z?<br \/>\nBen k\u0131zar\u0131m.. Bre adam e\u011fer o sadece sa\u011fdan gelenler i\u00e7inse neden promosyonunu sadece sa\u011f kap\u0131dan girenlerin g\u00f6rece\u011fi gibi a\u00e7m\u0131yorsun? Asl\u0131nda bu tip promosyonlar da yap\u0131l\u0131yor ve yap\u0131lmaya devam edecek ama bunu yaparken herkese ba\u011f\u0131r\u0131p sonrada siz bundan yararlanamazs\u0131n\u0131z demek revam\u0131d\u0131r\u2026<br \/>\nBu i\u00bain bir \u00baekli asl\u0131nda. Ge\u00e7en yaz bir y\u00fcz\u00fck modeli ara\u00bat\u0131rmak i\u00e7in Bulgari&#8217;nin sayfas\u0131na girdi\u011fimde bunun \u00e7ok daha ay\u0131p bir \u00e7e\u00baidi ile kar\u00ba\u0131la\u00bat\u0131m. \u00d6nce geldi\u011finiz yeri soruyordu. Sonra bu yere g\u00f6re sayfa olu\u00baturuluyordu. Bunu fark edince hemen bana yollanan cookie&#8217;yi silip, siteye bir Amerika ip&#8217;si ile girdim. Her sorduklar\u0131nda da aynen bir Amerika&#8217;l\u0131 gibi \u00f6nce anlamamazl\u0131ktan gelip sonra combo box&#8217;\u0131n en \u00fcst\u00fcndeki \u00ba\u0131k olan  Amerika&#8217;y\u0131 i\u00baaretledim. Aman Allah&#8217;\u0131m ne promosyonlar ne promosyonlar. Neredeyse o deli gibi pahal\u0131 y\u00fcz\u00fckler, paras\u0131z gidiyor. Damping var sanki.. Tabii T\u00fcrk taraf\u0131m durmad\u0131 hemen bir e-posta d\u00f6\u00baendim.  Sizin bu yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z ay\u0131p diye.. Tabii bu mailin en nazik c\u00fcmlesiydi. Birka\u00e7 g\u00fcn sonra bir telefon geldi. Pek rahats\u0131z olmu\u00balar. Hemen s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 anlatarak ba\u00balad\u0131lar.<br \/>\n\u00aaimdi insan merak ediyor, koskoca global bir marka hangi ak\u0131lla bu tip lokal kay\u0131rmalar yap\u0131yor diye. Biz burada bir y\u00fcz\u00fck alal\u0131m diye b\u00fct\u00fcn bir \u00f6m\u00fcr birikimlerimizi ortaya koyal\u0131m. \u00d6b\u00fcr tarafta benim bir y\u0131lda kazand\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 bir ayda kazanan yazara damping fiyatlar\u0131 uygulans\u0131n. Hak de\u011fil galiba!!!<br \/>\nAsl\u0131nda bu i\u00bain ekonomik k\u0131sm\u0131, bir de m\u00fc\u00bateri taraf\u0131ndan bak\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda dikkat \u00e7eken kalp k\u0131r\u0131c\u0131 k\u0131sm\u0131 var ki, onu ne siz sorun ne ben s\u00f6yleyeyim. Bu CRM laf\u0131, \u0130ngilizlerce (siarem diye okunup) m\u00fc\u00baterinin devaml\u0131 hakl\u0131 oldu\u011funu s\u00f6ylemenin bir yolu iken benim \u00fclkemde ger\u00e7ek bir cereme oluyor. CRM uygulamalar\u0131n\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck bir \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu m\u00fc\u00bateri&#8217;nin cebine odakl\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u00ba\u0131yor. Mesela bu programlarda kredi kart\u0131 borcunuzu hangi g\u00fcn \u00f6deyece\u011finizin not edildi\u011fi bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm var da iki isminizden hanginizi kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 y\u0131llarca bu insanlar hi\u00e7bir yere not alam\u0131yorlar. Hatta daha k\u00f6t\u00fcs\u00fc borcunuz varken adres de\u011fi\u00baikli\u011fi bile yapam\u0131yorsunuz. Yeni adresinizi not bile alm\u0131yorlar. Ama \u00bau g\u00fcn size \u00bau kadar yat\u0131raca\u011f\u0131m dedi\u011finizde hemen bir yaz\u0131 alan\u0131 beliriveriyor.<br \/>\nBu tabii bizim ulusal sorunumuz. Ge\u00e7enlerde fark ettim, network solutions Amerika&#8217;dan sorulan sorulara ortalama 4 saat i\u00e7inde cevap verirken, T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;den gelen sorulara o cevab\u0131 24 saati buluyor. Bu konuda tek h\u0131zl\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u00baan ve insanlar\u0131 lokasyonlar\u0131na g\u00f6re s\u0131n\u0131fland\u0131rmayan \u00bairket Microsoft. MS herkese netizen g\u00f6z\u00fcyle bak\u0131yor. Ama tek bir konuya dikkat etmek gerekiyor, \u0130ngilizce yaz\u0131p T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;den cevap almamay\u0131 sa\u011flamak. Yaln\u0131z bu sefer sebep ge\u00e7 cevap almak de\u011fil, yetersiz cevap almak. D\u00fcn MSN Explorer ile ilgili bir soruma (ayn\u0131 anda iki tarafa da sordum) Amerika iki saat i\u00e7inde iki kez cevap d\u00f6n\u00fcp, sorunun te\u00bahisini koyarken T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;den bir \u00baablon cevap geldi. Ge\u00e7en diyaloglar\u0131 www.unaldi.org sitesinde bu yaz\u0131n\u0131n hemen alt\u0131nda bulabilirsiniz.<br \/>\nNETle\u00bamek \u00fczere\u2026<\/p>\n<p>MS T\u00fcrkiye ile yaz\u0131\u00bama<\/p>\n<p>Say\u0131n Atif Unaldi,<br \/>\nMSN Explorer&#8217; dan destek ald\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in te\u00baekk\u00fcr ederiz.<br \/>\nMSN, \u00fcye bilgilerinin gizlili\u011fine \u00f6nem vermekte ve her zaman bu y\u00f6nde \u00e7al\u0131\u00bamalar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrmektedir<br \/>\n\u00dczg\u00fcn\u00fcz, ancak MSN Explorer Teknik Deste\u011fi yaln\u0131zca MSN Explorer&#8217;\u0131 kullanma ve kar\u00ba\u0131dan dosya y\u00fckleme hakk\u0131ndaki sorular\u0131 yan\u0131tlamaktad\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p>Ya\u00baad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z sorunun MSN Web Topluluklar\u0131&#8217;ndaki Teknik Destek ve \u0130lke Uygulama Temsilcileri taraf\u0131ndan en iyi bi\u00e7imde giderilece\u011fine inan\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n<p>Web Topluluklar\u0131 deste\u011fi i\u00e7in a\u00baa\u011f\u0131daki siteyi ziyaret edin:<br \/>\nhttp:\/\/communities.msn.com\/home\/<br \/>\nNot: Bu site \u0130ngilizcedir.<\/p>\n<p>Hotmail ve MSN hesaplar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n kullan\u0131m\u0131nda herhangi bir sorun ya\u00ba\u0131yorsan\u0131z \u00f6ncelikle kullan\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 kald\u0131rman\u0131z\u0131 ard\u0131ndan tekrar kullan\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 eklemenizi, bu i\u00balemleri ger\u00e7ekle\u00batirdikten sonra ayn\u0131 problemin hala devam etmesi durumunda kullan\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131 tekrar kald\u0131rman\u0131z\u0131 ard\u0131ndan da MSN Explorer program\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 bilgisayardan kald\u0131r\u0131p tekrar kar\u00ba\u0131dan bilgisayar\u0131n\u0131za y\u00fcklemenizi ve kullan\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 eklemenizi \u00f6neririz.<br \/>\nKullan\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131 kald\u0131rmak i\u00e7in:<br \/>\n1. MSN Explorer&#8217;\u0131n sa\u011f \u00fcst k\u00f6\u00baesinde yer alan Yard\u0131m&amp;Ayarlar&#8217; \u0131 t\u0131klay\u0131n.<br \/>\n2. A\u00e7\u0131lan sayfan\u0131n sol taraf\u0131nda yer alan Hesaplar se\u00e7ene\u011fini t\u0131klay\u0131n.<br \/>\n3. Kullan\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131 Kald\u0131r\u0131n&#8217; \u0131 se\u00e7in.<br \/>\n4. Son olarak hesab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n yan\u0131nda yer alan Kald\u0131r komutunu t\u0131klayarak hesab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 kald\u0131r\u0131n.<\/p>\n<p>MSN Explorer&#8217; \u0131 bilgisayar\u0131n\u0131zdan kald\u0131rmak i\u00e7in:<\/p>\n<p>1.Ba\u00balat&#8217;\u0131 t\u0131klat\u0131n, Ayarlar&#8217;\u0131n \u00fcst\u00fcne gelin ve sonra Denetim Masas\u0131&#8217;n\u0131 t\u0131klat\u0131n.<br \/>\n2.Program Ekle\/Kald\u0131r&#8217;\u0131 \u00e7ift t\u0131klat\u0131n. Bilgisayar\u0131n\u0131zda y\u00fckl\u00fc t\u00fcm programlar\u0131n listesi g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fclenir.<br \/>\n3.MSN Explorer&#8217;\u0131 ve sonra Ekle\/Kald\u0131r&#8217; (veya, W\u0130ndows 2000 \u00e7al\u0131\u00bat\u0131r\u0131yorsan\u0131z De\u011fi\u00batir\/Kald\u0131r&#8217;\u0131) t\u0131klat\u0131n.<br \/>\n4.MSN Explorer&#8217;\u0131 kald\u0131rmak i\u00e7in y\u00f6nergeleri izleyin.<\/p>\n<p>MSN Gizlilik Detaylar\u0131 i\u00e7in l\u00fctfen http:\/\/www.msn.com\/help\/legal\/privacy.asp adresini ziyaret edin.<\/p>\n<p>Sayg\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131zla,<\/p>\n<p>Naser Hussein<br \/>\nMSN Destek Hizmetleri<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; Original Message &#8212;<br \/>\nFrom: atifunaldi@hotmail.com<br \/>\nTo: supt_tr@css.one.microsoft.com<br \/>\nSent: Mon Oct 21 01:55:41 UTC+0900 2002<br \/>\nSubject: MSN Explorer Support Request<\/p>\n<p>Customer Name: Atif UNALDI<br \/>\nCustomer e-mail: atifunaldi@hotmail.com<br \/>\nConnection Type: Cable<br \/>\nIE Version: IE Di\u00f0er<br \/>\nOperating System: Windows 2000<br \/>\nRepeat customer: no<\/p>\n<p>Eskiden MSN explorer&#8217;\u0131m\u0131n email ekran\u0131nda \u00f6zg\u00fcn bir tasar\u0131mla<br \/>\nkar\u00fe\u0131la\u00fe\u0131yordum. pdate i\u00felemlerini de s\u00fcrekli yapmama ra\u00f0men bir s\u00fcredir<br \/>\nhotmailin aray\u00fcz\u00fc ile kar\u00fe\u0131la\u00fe\u0131yorum. Eski aray\u00fc hem \u00e7ok g\u00fczel, kullan\u0131\u00fel\u0131<br \/>\nve h\u0131zl\u0131yd\u0131. O aray\u00fcze nas\u0131l ge\u00e7ebilirim&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Bir de bu formu hi\u00e7 yenilemiyorsunuz galiba.. Internet explorer 6.0,<br \/>\nWindows XP kulln\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131 ne yapacak?????<\/p>\n<p>MSN ile yaz\u0131\u00bama<\/p>\n<p>Hello Atif,<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for writing us again, this is Camille.<\/p>\n<p>Atif, we appreciate the information you&#8217;ve provided. This confirms that you have had system updates installed. Unfortunately, this forwards you to the Hotmail user interface when you click on the E-mail icon in MSN Explorer. This is by design, for all free users of MSN Explorer, who are NOT associated to a paying subscriber. We realize that you prefer the Explorer interface and are truly sorry for the inconvenience this is causing you.<\/p>\n<p>We hope this clarifies your concern, Atif. Should you have other inquiries, please feel free to reply back to us, by clicking on the Reply button and we will be glad to assist you further.<\/p>\n<p>Atif, thank you for your understanding. Your satisfaction with our customer service is very important. If you consider your issue resolved, please click on this link http:\/\/msn.surveyhost.com\/explorer.technical.support\/explorer.technical.support06.asp to let us know how we are doing.<\/p>\n<p>Sincerely,<\/p>\n<p>Camille<br \/>\nMSN Explorer Support<\/p>\n<p>MSN Internet Access has comprehensive online help available to you. For more information on MSN Internet Access features, functions, and issues, go to http:\/\/support.msn.com\/<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; Original Message &#8212;<br \/>\nFrom:  atifunaldi@hotmail.com<br \/>\nTo:  ts_email_mars@css.one.microsoft.com<br \/>\nSent:  Mon Oct 21 02:30:45 UTC+0900 2002<br \/>\nSubject:  Re: CST89117927ID &#8211; RE:MSN Explorer Support Request<\/p>\n<p>Hi Edenlei<\/p>\n<p>My current MSN version is<\/p>\n<p>MSN Explorer version 7.02.0005.2202.<\/p>\n<p>And OS is XP .. I probably umade the security update.. So i think that<br \/>\nyou guess my problem.. And now please tell me how can i switch to MSN<br \/>\ne-mail interface&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>BTW. Is it possible to customize the start page of the explorer from MSN<br \/>\nto my homepage namely www.unaldi.org  &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Atif UNALDI<\/p>\n<p>Hello Atif,<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for contacting MSN Explorer Support.<\/p>\n<p>This is Edenlei and I am writing in response to your e-mail sent to MSN support.<\/p>\n<p>Atif,  we understand that you have issues regarding you are being redirected to the Hotmail Interface instead of the MSN interface.  We regret the inconvenience caused to you.  We certainly realize the frustration that you are experiencing right now. Please accept our sincerest apologies for the difficulties you encountered.<\/p>\n<p>This usually happens after you have downloaded the critical update for MSN and if you are using Windows XP as your operating system. Please tell us if you have downloaded or updated anything with regards to your computer. Have you downloaded the critical update for MSN Explorer? Please reply back to us the answers to this questions, so that we will be able to help you more accurately. Thanks for your patience.<\/p>\n<p>If your issue persists, please feel free to reply back to us with the error message, (if any) by clicking on the Reply button and we would be glad to assist you further.<\/p>\n<p>Sincerely,<\/p>\n<p>Edenlei<br \/>\nMSN Explorer Support<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; Original Message &#8212;<br \/>\nFrom:  atifunaldi@hotmail.com<br \/>\nTo:  ts_email_mars@css.one.microsoft.com<br \/>\nSent:  Mon Oct 21 01:40:53 UTC+0900 2002<br \/>\nSubject:  MSN Explorer Support Request<\/p>\n<p>Customer Name:    Atif UNALDI<br \/>\nCustomer e-mail:  atifunaldi@hotmail.com<br \/>\nConnection Type:  DSL<br \/>\nIE Version:       IE 6<br \/>\nMSN Explorer Ver: 6.1<br \/>\nOperating System: Windows XP Professional<br \/>\nRepeat customer:  no<\/p>\n<p>I am using MSN explorer 7.02.0005 And using since MSN 6.0.. When i press<br \/>\nthe emial button on the toolbar i used to see an MSN specific hotmail<br \/>\ninterface. BUt now i am seing normal hotmail interface. But i like to see<br \/>\nthe interface that i used to see. Hot can i switch to that interface. It<br \/>\nwas simple and quick than that<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Y\u0131llard\u0131r internet \u00fczerinden ger\u00e7ekle\u00batirdi\u011fim bir\u00e7ok uygulama ile ilgili olarak geri d\u00f6n\u00fc\u00ba s\u00fcrelerini kontrol etmek istedim. Bunu yapmak ger\u00e7ekten bir\u00e7ok noktadan zor g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyordu. Mesela Network Solutions acaba m\u00fc\u00baterilerinin hepsine ayn\u0131 dikkat ve \u00f6zeni g\u00f6steriyor muydu? 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